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Baseball Is Not a Sport

19 Jun

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America’s favorite pastime is not a sport. Of the three major sporting events in the United States, baseball requires the least training, the least athleticism, and the smallest amount of effort. Baseball players are regularly out of shape, and success in the sport is more contingent on skill level than on natural ability. The very essence of sport is based in a player’s natural ability and the genetic inclination towards harsh, challenging physiological exercises, but baseball does not depend on those gifts. Baseball, even at the highest professional level, is just a physical activity or a competition, not a sport.

Baseball is the only highly-paid recreational activity where the participants do not have to maintain their weight. Players like C.C. Sabathia and Prince Fielder showed up to spring training grossly overweight every year and thrived once the season started. Tony Gwynn was built like a bowling ball and was one of the best hitters of his generation averaging .338 for his career. In a sport, athletes have to undergo intense training to compete with their opponents, and players that have not put in the necessary work, falter under the demands of grueling seasons. Basketball players stay in constant motion to score or defend against other players. Their percentage of body fat never exceeds 10%. Basketball guys that train poorly are exploited on the basketball court or fall victim to injuries. A football player’s ability to compete is dependent on how much he can lift, how fast he is, and how fluidly he moves. There is constant contact between players and their physical prowess is matched against another player on every sequence of each play. Football players that avoid strict regimens of exercise are quickly over-matched by better players or they get hurt. Baseball has the longest season by far, with twice the games as basketball and 10 times the amount of football games, but the players get fewer injuries. It is void of the displays of athleticism seen in the other sports, other than the occasional leaping catch. A great pitcher does have special gifts, but is not necessarily an exceptional athlete. For some reason, a pitcher’s arm produces more torque than the average arm. Part of their success is due to a physiological advantage, but they do not have to shape their entire body; they only hone their pitching arm. Case in point, David Wells, an overweight left-hander, pitched a perfect game in the playoffs with a severe hang-over. He retired every batter that he faced after a night out drinking heavily. That could never happen in any of the other major American sports. They require an athletic standard and a discipline that baseball does not have. Baseball is not a sport, at least partially, because obese, undisciplined players often yield the same results as those that work tirelessly.

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This guy pitched a perfect game in the playoffs.

And, hitting offers no evidence that the baseball players who are more physically gifted excel more than those of average ability, either. Bat speed, which is a measure of athleticism, does not determine the power or effectiveness of a hitter. Gary Sheffield possessed one of the quickest bats and was one of the better athletes in Major League Baseball history with a bat speed of about 130 mph. Sheffield produced relatively strong numbers with his bat garnering a career batting average of .292, 509 HR, and 1676 RBI. The average MLB player has a bat speed that hovers around 108 mph and the league batting average floats between .260 and .275. However, Albert Pujols of the St. Louis Cardinals, manages his at-bats with one of the slowest bat speeds in the MLB at 85 mph. Despite this, Pujols could historically be the best batter ever. He has a career batting average of .331, with 409 HR and 1233 RBI, in 11 fewer seasons than Sheffield. Pujols has almost matched Sheffield’s career numbers in half of the time it took Sheffield to produce them. He won the National League MVP 3 times, has hit more home runs through his first ten years than anyone has hit in their first ten years, and is the only player to ever hit at least 30 HR in each of his first 10 seasons. Pujols has achieved all this with a slow, deliberate swing. He is able to do this because batting is about technique and pitch recognizance, not raw strength and bat speed. Players that are afforded good coaching can decipher the difference between a curve ball and a fastball in fractions of the .47 second that it takes the baseball to reach home plate. Batters learn to get power from their hips, not their arms and drive the ball. The ability to swing a bat quickly is completely unrelated with how well someone hits the baseball, so physical aptitude is less important in this recourse. Ken Griffey Jr. retired from Major League Baseball as one of the most prolific home run hitters in baseball, despite having a slight build. He learned how to see and react to the ball from his father, Ken Griffey Sr., a professional baseball player, and had one of the smoothest swings in baseball. He had outstanding, readily-available coaching, so he excelled in the game. Now most of the talent in baseball comes from suburban families that play baseball all year or from farm systems in rural South America. They are given multiple opportunities to learn, and thus acclimate to the technique of batting and recognize pitch movement better than the average person. Getting more chances to hit the ball translates into better hitting. Greatness in baseball has nothing to do with talent level. It is contingent on practice, repetition, and more options to play the game.

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Pujols has one of the slowest, but most effective swings in baseball.

Baseball relies on a particular set of learned skills rather than natural athleticism, so it should not be categorized with football, basketball, soccer, and track and field as a sport. Baseball is closer related to golf, bowling, or motor racing. In general, the people that play it at its highest level are not great athletes, but just people that have specialized in their field. With training, persistence, and opportunity, they have come to excel at an activity that most people have not had the chance to try to pursue. Other than the specific position of pitcher, any average athlete could succeed in baseball, and if anyone can do it, then it is not a sport.

54 Responses to “Baseball Is Not a Sport”

  1. baseball_is_a_sport July 5, 2011 at 11:50 AM #

    Baseball is obviously a sport.If it wasn’t a sport then why would it be America’s national past time. If you have the time to write about why our country’s national past time isn’t a sport then you probably don’t even play a sport to begin or were cut in high school and can’t accept the fact that you suck.With that being said your only argument was that baseball wasn’t a sport because a few select players like C.C. Sabathia, (a PITCHER) and Prince Fielder (a DESIGNATED HITTER)were over weight. They use their weight to an advantage to provide more power to their pitching and hitting. These players are PAID to maintain this weight so in a sense they are staying “in shape”, just the shape that they need to maintain to be effective. If your saying football is a sport then why isn’t baseball a sport? Just because there’s more time in between action doesn’t make one or the other more or less challenging.

    • AFM July 7, 2011 at 11:58 AM #

      Baseball is America’s pastime because it came along at a time when people didn’t have televisions. I would rather watch the grass grow than go to some of these games. By the way, being fat does not help you perform. Steven Strausburg was fat when he entered college and was throwing 93-95 mph. Once he started training seriously, his top pitch speed jumped to 101 mph. Imagine what C.C. could do if put down just one hamburger per day. Prince Fielder is fat because he keeps eating not because he needs the extra weight. Fat does not equal power. If so then Tony Gwynn would have hit more home runs. Prince Fielder hits home runs because his dad is Cecil Fielder and he’s strong as a bull. What would happen if he brought his weight down to 240? David Wells was fat and pitched a perfect game messed up from the night before. Baseball is a step above golf and bowling.

      P.S. I played baseball though not in high school. I stopped playing baseball so that I could play some real sports. I played football and basketball, and I received scholarships in basketball and offers to play professional basketball overseas. Have you played any sports?

      • You_sucked_so_you're_mad April 12, 2012 at 12:28 AM #

        First of all, your crap about how fat people only play baseball blah blah blah is garbage. What about football players like Vince Wilfork? Can you say fattass? I mean seriously, he’s fatter than almost all baseball players, but he’s still one of the best defenseman in the league. And I don’t understand what you mean by how Albert Pujols must be unathletic because he has a slow bat speed. What about football players like MJD and marshawn lynch? No, they’re not the fastest either, but they are definitely athletic. And you think you’re soooooo special because you got an offer to play “pro” overseas. Overseas basketball is garbage, you are clearly a second-rate player who was too lazy to play baseball so you just used what I assume is some height (which is not in your control) to play basketball, which for tall people, takes practically NO SKILL OR ATHLETICISM (yes, I know plenty of terribly un-athletic basketball players too). Sorry that you wern’t smart, athletic, or hard-working enough to play a multi-demensional sport like baseball, and are left to try to criticize people who are better than you. (oh and I bet any of the baseball players you mentioned could kick your ass)

        • You_sucked_so_you're_mad April 12, 2012 at 12:29 AM #

          And prince fielder is a vegetarian and his dad has nothing to do with his ability to hit home runs (which you can’t)

        • AFM April 12, 2012 at 12:00 PM #

          You sound pretty angry, so I’m going to guess that you’re a baseball “athlete”. Your “sport” does not necessitate athleticism, and that means that it is borderline at best as a sport. And, I did not say that all baseball players are fat. I said that if a fat guy can star in your sport then it probably is not that great of a game. The essence of sport is athleticism, and there are not a lot of great athletes in baseball. Prince Fielder is fat, and he is a bonafide star. Bubba Wells pitched a no-hitter in the playoffs drunk. Yes, Vince Wilfork is bigger than either of them, but I would bet a paycheck that Vince Wilfork can lift more weights, is more agile, and runs faster than Prince Fielder on any day. I did not say that Albert Pujols is not athletic, I was pointing out that bat speed (a measure of explosivesiveness) doesn’t even matter. He has a slow bat speed and is a historically great hitter. And, there are very few nonathletic basketball players that make it to the pros. We are not talking about guys at the park around the corner from your house. We are talking about the highest level of basketball. Pro basketball players are talented and skilled athletes that excel in anything sports-related. Sorry dude, deal with it. Baseball sucks. (By the way, multi-dimensional? Stop it.)

          • therron harper November 6, 2012 at 3:56 PM #

            Did you ever play the game because what you are claiming is usually said by someone who did not or COULD NOT play. And did you ever hear of Michael Jordan, the superstar basketball athlete who did not excel in baseball which I am sure you will admit is sports-related. Plain truth is he failed as a player and could not do the most difficult thing in sports which is to hit a baseball. How do you explain that failure from such a great athlete. Truth be told he sucked and was slow on the bases.

            • AFM November 11, 2012 at 1:41 AM #

              I did play baseball at the lower levels, and I wish that I had kept playing it. A marginal athlete with good hand-eye coordination can excel in baseball. I was a pretty good athlete with great hand-eye coordination and good power. Now, on to the Jordan thing. I would not call playing AA-AAA baseball after leaving the sport for almost 15 years a failure. Everyone said that he was great at fielding and running the bases, but he could not hit the curve. Had Jordan dedicated half the time to baseball that he dedicated to basketball, he would have made a lucrative career in that “game” too. He would have either become a great defensive player with sub-par hitting or he would have learned to hit the curve. n another note, are you the real Ron Harper? And, if so, is Jordan really a dick? The rumors have been circulating for a while now.

    • LOLOLOL July 15, 2012 at 6:45 AM #

      Baseball is not a sport… the only people who defend it are nerds who have no athleticism what so ever. I’m not even going to come back and check all of your retarted ass comments out this isn’t even up for discussion LOLOLOLOLOLOL…

    • Eazy_72 July 27, 2012 at 11:03 AM #

      I agree with you baseball_is_a_sport if you have been watching the game as long as I have then you will see how challenging it is to develop velocity and how much players workout. You may think that Prince Fielder is overweight which he is but Prince is not out of shape if you have ever seen his arms they are massive because of how much weight lifting he does. Also aren’t football players supposed to put on weight so that they can tackle players easily if that is true then why can you sit here criticizing fat baseball players?

  2. Jobu July 11, 2011 at 5:50 PM #

    Glad to know anyone can pick up a ball and be as good as Manning or Brady or Kobe or Lebron or Messi if they were possessed with the gift of natural talent, because we all know that throwing and catching a football, dribbling between defenders, knocking down shots from anywhere in the field all require no training or specialization what-so-ever. Nope, training has nothing to do with elite level “athletes” in any other sport at all…

    Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna take my “talents” to South Beach.

    • AFM July 12, 2011 at 9:39 AM #

      Jobu, I am not saying that there is no “specialization” in baseball. In fact, I am saying the opposite. Baseball is full of specialization, but it is not full of great athletes. Being good at baseball is a skill that can be learned. Granted, there are some great athletes like Carl Crawford, but the standard of athletic ability is not the same in baseball. If you get them at a young age, you can teach a child to hit a baseball well. There is a reason that the kids that go to baseball camp every year inevitably reach the college level of baseball. If you put a football, basketball, or even a soccer ball in his hands, there is no promise that the child will excel. To play sports there is a certain amount of raw athleticism that you must possess. Pitchers are not necessarily athletic. They just have a special gift. Their pitching arm produces more torque than the average arm. How do you explain the fact that a guy like Manuel Rivera who is of average height, build, and weight could throw a fastball with more velocity than guys that were twice his size? Pitching is a misnomer. Most baseball players are not good athletes. Athleticism is generally measured in how big you are, how fast you can run, how quickly you can move your feet, how strong you are, and how coordinated you are. Baseball players, in general, do not possess all of these traits. There is one fast guy, two power guys, one to two guys that have a great batting average, and if they are lucky one guy that is a pure athlete on each team. In basketball, football, track, and even soccer (America’s red-headed step-child) everyone meets the standards of athleticism. You could take the average soccer athlete and put him in track. He may not win, but he would compete. You could take a track guy and put him in football and he may excel like Herschel Walker did. You could take a football player and put him on a basketball court and he would find a niche as a rebounder or defender. You could put a basketball player in any of these sports and he would fit. You can only say that about select baseball players like Crawford or Jose Reyes. Baseball is not a sport.

      • Eazy_72 July 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM #

        I disagree with you many baseball players played multiple sports in college and high school Matt Holliday could have played football. Torii Hunter could have played basketball or football. To have quality defense players must have quick feet be fast have good coordination and arm strength to finish the play. And how can a player hit a baseball without having coordination.

      • MAGGOT October 27, 2016 at 11:05 PM #

        You’re telling me that you have to basically do major training to practice in what your mind is a sport. Let me sum it up to you pal. Football: a bunch of lads run around catching what shouldn’t be called a ball and more “Stewies head” around and reach a marked part of the grass that scores them. Oh and they have to throw it to. Soccer: KICKING FUCKING BALLS INTO YE NET!! Basketball: you run around dribbling a ball and then go past a few people and “make dem hoops bro” dont sound like sports really to me…. that goes for all of them. America sports just aren’t that great. That excludes soccer but it’s simple too

        • AFM October 28, 2016 at 11:11 AM #

          American sports are the only ones that matter, buddy.

  3. Omar March 24, 2012 at 10:15 PM #

    You are right. Baseball is a game for little kids. No athleticism, contact or excitement let alone enthusiasm. If you all want a real sport, play lacrosse, which requires endurance and has contact. Or soccer which requires so much endurance. Not trying to make fun of the US (I am 100%) but baseball is it’s national pass time because America is very unathletic. This is why for instance soccer is big in all around the world, because many of those countries revolve around athletic-related activities instead of sitting home, cracking open a budlight and watching television.

  4. AJ April 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM #

    Have you ever played the game beyond a little league level? Or even beyond high school? I thought not. Contrary to your belief, you cannot teach anyone to hit or catch a ball. Maybe if you had any experience as a coach you would know this. Yes, I know what I am talking about, I have played baseball my entire life, all the way to AA level before an injury ended my career. Know what? I was good, but there were many who were better simply because they were better athletes. It had nothing to do with how much they were taught, they had natural abilities that were superior to mine. And as a college coach, I can tell you that I see the same in my players, some are just better athletes than others.

    • AFM April 19, 2012 at 7:23 PM #

      Nope AJ, I haven’t played baseball past the little league level, but I do know that baseball players generally do not play any other sport than football. And, the only players that make it in football are pitchers that turn into quarterbacks (the most non athletic position on the field). I did not say that there are no athletes in baseball. Justin Upton is a freak. Ken Griffey Jr. was a ridiculous athlete. But by and large, in baseball you can do well if you are a specialist. If you can hit, then coaches will hide you on defense (Dmitri Young). If you can pitch, then you do not need to hit (Bubba Wells). The best athletes are the defensive specialists, but special athletes like Torii Hunter are few and far in between. In basketball, you regularly run into guys that are freak athletes. Every pro team has a couple. And, in order to play the game you have to meet a certain level of skill and natural ability. Guys can be taught to hit and excel in baseball, though the best athletes generally do better. Pitchers are the only guys who can not be replaced because they have a true physical gift. Everyone else is interchangeable. 3rd basemen play shortstop, shortstops play 2nd base, catchers play any of the infield positions. How did Chuck Knoblauch stay in the league so long? He couldn’t field or make routine throws to first base. He could hit. Adam Dunn can’t field and literally struck out as much as he hit the ball for years. When he hit the ball, it left the park. Baseball players just are not that athletic.

      • Eazy_72 July 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM #

        I disagree with you you say a good pitcher does not need to know how to hit which is true however in football does a quarterback need to know how to punt does a defensive tackle need to know how to catch does a punter need to know how to tackle? No. In soccer does a Goalie need to know how to dribble? No. In hockey does a forward need to know how to use his body to block a shot?No. Then why do pitchers need to know how to hit?

        • 66lima53 September 16, 2012 at 7:43 AM #

          the answer is yes, incase you missed the last season Brady punted against the Broncos, Vince Wilfork while being bigger then the mentioned “athletic” baseball players is stronger faster(he returned a interception to inside the 10, so right there he showed better speed and catching abilities then that fat Fielder) and if punters miss a tackle the returner just scored so they need to tackle you shit

  5. Michael May 23, 2012 at 2:59 PM #

    You my friend, are a dumbass

    • AFM May 25, 2012 at 12:24 PM #

      And the same to you, sir…and by sir, I mean douchebag.

  6. Stevesie60 June 2, 2012 at 8:43 PM #

    This article is spot-on. And it’s funny that all of the comments are the same: “YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO DIDN’T PLAY BASEBALL IN HIGH SCHOOL!!” That doesn’t help your argument. No one who is defending baseball is providing facts. No one can argue that you can be good at basketball or football without being athletic. It is an impossible stance to take. If you can chew a wad of tobacco while playing a sport, it’s not a sport.

    Now if any of you can provide legitimate arguments as to why baseball is an athletic sport, I’m all ears. But so far it’s been a bunch of people who are just angry because they know this article is right.

  7. Baseball's a Sport June 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM #

    So if baseball isn’t a sport, and all it takes is training, why aren’t you there making millions of dollars right now? The way you make it sound, if you work hard and dedicate you life to practicing, you can be a MLB player, so where are you???

    If it takes no atheliticism, why is there a disparity in the talent level of players? You can’t say it’s because some practice more than others, because there are players that work their asses off 10x harder than guys like Manny Ramirez, yet Manny still hit all the HR’s.

    If hitting didn’t require athletic ability and strength, why were players taking steroids? I garuntee if you stepped in the box against a MLB Starting Pitcher you wouldn’t even get your bat on the ball let alone hit it fair.

    How about the defensive plays the guys make? – Especially outfielders. Running down a fly ball in the gap and laying out isn’t athletic. Hoping the fence and robbing a home run isn’t athletic? Stealing a base isn’t athletic?

    • Baseball's a Sport June 3, 2012 at 10:52 AM #

      And just to add, look at guys like Bo Jackson and Deoin Sanders, they are NFL LEGENDS that put together good MLB careers. But their MLB careers can’t hold a candle to their NFL ones. Why is that? To be a good player in any sport you have to be more than just athletic to have success. The difference is that it is even more importantt in baseball than sports like NFL and NBA to have actual skill outside of being athletic.

      HOWEVER, that doesn’t mean baseball players aren’t athletic.

      • AFM June 3, 2012 at 9:02 PM #

        You are proving my point with your Bo Jackson/Deion Sanders comment. These guys were focused on a different sport but they were able to put together good careers in baseball because they were great athletes. Bo Jackson was an All-Star in the MLB and Deion had a season where he was considered for the league MVP. Imagine if either of them had actually focused on baseball. Hell, Michael Jordan made it to AA baseball without having played baseball since high school. The game is full of guys that are not athletes, so guys that are elite athletes can walk in and dominate. The game is completely based on pitching and hitting which someone can be taught to do.

        • Baseball's a Sport June 8, 2012 at 9:42 AM #

          Actually you are proving my point. If those guys could rely on their athletics to be good baseball players, then how can you say that it isn’t a sport? Their athletic ability, after-all, did effect their play.

          I don’t understand your point on being taught hitting and pitching…wouldn’t that make it even more of a sport? You teach a QB how to throw, a WR how to catch, a CB how to cover, OL how to protect, DL how to penetrate, ect. All sports rely on “skills”. Don’t you teach someone how to make a basket in basketball? You also teach people dribbing jukes in basketball, and things of that nature.

          Michael Jordan was a garbage baseball player, part of the reason he returned to the NBA.

          • AFM June 10, 2012 at 10:33 PM #

            No, I think that you missed it. Baseball has a few athletes like Carl Crawford, Jose Reyes, or Torii Hunter, but by and large, they were just taught a specific skill. For something to be a sport, there is a certain amount of athleticism that is necessary. I am not saying that athletes don’t exist in baseball (the athletes actually do better in it) I am saying that athleticism is not a prerequisite and therefore it is not a real sport.

            To your point point about football, I would agree that quarterbacks are not athletes in general. They too were taught a specific skill and were born with an arm that produces more torque than the rest of the population. They are in essence pitchers. But, the rest of the players are athletes. You can teach a WR how to catch, but you can’t teach him to be 6’3″ with 40″ vertical leap. You can teach a CB how to cover, but you can not teach him how to run a 4.3 40 yard dash. You can teach an OL how to protect and a DL how to get to the quarterback, but you can not teach them how to bench 500 pounds. Every guy on the field besides the quarterback is a pure athlete. You can teach a basketball player how to make shots, but basketball is only played by freak athletes. Every guy at the highest level is taller than the average person, strong for his size, and extremely quick and coordinated. You can teach the average guy the basics, but he won’t excel in the sport without a lot of size and natural ability.

            Baseball does not require a lot of natural talent. It helps, but it is not required. That is why I believe that it is more of a competition than a sport. On the sports spectrum, it is ahead of NASCAR and bowling, but behind soccer and competitive badminton. Just accept it.

            Oh, and the only reason that MJ did not make it to the majors is because he couldn’t hit the curve ball. With a year or two of baseball he might have learned. Look it up.

            • Eazy_72 July 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM #

              I’ve never understood your point about what size has to do with anything according to Merriam-Webster athletic means vigorous active. So why would size make a difference.

        • Dano December 27, 2018 at 1:45 AM #

          Deion Sanders never came close to being league MVP in baseball. He never received one vote for MVP–EVER. His career WAR is 5.5 with a best year of 3.3. Career OPS+ 89. He was a decent player but that’s it. Never an All Star.
          Re Bo Jackson–he was pretty good. Career war only 8.3 and OPS+ 112. He was an All Star once and came in 10th in MVP voting that year. Had a great arm, super fast and great range in the field but still not a really good player. Exciting to watch though.
          Two of the best NFL guys that weren’t all that great at baseball. If only they were better athletes!

          • AFM January 2, 2019 at 1:44 PM #

            You’re delusional if you don’t think that both Deion and Bo Jackson are well above the average baseball player and worlds beyond them athletically. Deion was always among the league leaders in steals which is enough to be an All-Star in baseball most years. And Bo, was a walking highlight reel.

    • AFM June 3, 2012 at 7:35 PM #

      There are people that play baseball that are great athletes. I’m not saying that athletes do not exist in baseball, I am saying that being a great athlete is not required to play baseball. Baseball is one of the few “sports” where it is not necessarily a requirement to be bigger, stronger, and faster than the other guys. The slowest guy in the NBA or NFL is better athlete than most of the guys in the MLB. You simply have to have a skill to play baseball. If you can throw a ball or hit one, then you can find a spot on a team. If you can hit it out of the park, then you have a career in the game. I believe that I am not playing baseball professionally right now because I didn’t love the sport, so I stopped playing it. I was an all star in all of the lower levels when I played baseball. I have two buddies who made it to the majors (though they weren’t stars), and I was a better athlete than both of them. I was a good enough athlete that I could compete in the sport without the training. Baseball is about hand-eye coordination and cultivating your skill, not raw athletic talent. Had I pursued the sport, I would have played at least single or double A baseball. Please do not take this as me trashing baseball. It is fun to play and great to watch in the ballpark. But, please do not tell me that baseball athletes are in the same league as other athletes because it is not true.

      • Baseball's a Sport June 19, 2012 at 7:27 PM #

        You just have a different vision of what athleticism is. But if it really is that easy to do, why aren’t you playing pro ball?

        • AFM June 26, 2012 at 9:18 PM #

          Dane, I’m not playing pro baseball because I stopped playing baseball to focus on the game that I loved, basketball. I honestly feel like I missed a golden opportunity there, because I think that I was good enough athletically to play at least AA ball. There are channels that you have to go through in any sport to get to the professional level I didn’t do that. Also, I tried to lay off the steroids deal so that we didn’t open up another subject, but I have to say this. Steroids don’t make you a better athlete per se, but they do give your body an advantage. Your body heals faster, so you can put on muscle faster. Steroids did not make the guys hit the ball better, they already had that skill. Steroids just allowed them to hit the ball further when they made contact and it allowed older guys to get more out of their bodies. And, how do I have a different vision of athleticism? I thought the standard of athleticism was how big, strong, and fast you are?

  8. go baseball June 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM #

    Hey I play baseball and lacrosse. I dont think that baseball is a physically demanding sport but it does require some skill to play and that is why the guys in the major leagues get paid millions and millions of dollars. nuf said.

  9. It's So So June 22, 2012 at 7:48 PM #

    Baseball by American standards is obviously a sport but let’s be honest it’s as intriguing to watch as tennis or golf. Americans for whatever reason seem to hate soccer and shit on it all the time and as far as watching it on tv I can understand why but as far as endurance and athletic ability soccer trumps baseball tenfold. I mean seriously this isn’t even an argument because there is no argument that baseball fans can make when the best offensive players in the game are the most out of shape. Examples such as Ryan Howard Prince Fielder Albert Poopholes Pablo Sandoval are all amazing batters but have little to no fielding skills which is why they all play 1st base ha. But as far as being an athlete and playing baseball there is 2 positions shortstop and center field and sometimes arguably a pitcher but outside of those 2 positions athleticism is not really valued very highly when developing a team. I am a fan of all sports even the boring and recreational ones I played football, basketball, baseball and soccer from 6-17 years old and by far baseball was the most skill oriented sport, I use to get so pissed off when I would strike out because I was a great athlete but my athleticism had no hold on my batting skills what so ever so I would have to say that yes baseball is def. a sport just a very boring one to watch and not one the requires anywhere near the athletic ability as football, basketball, hockey, or soccer. So baseball ranks 5th and last on the major sport lists just slightly above the level it takes to play tennis or cricket aha. 1. Football all day. 2. Basketball 3. Soccer ( I know my fellow Americans will disagree and put it last but it’s a very very physically demanding sport you will never see any overweight people like all the great batters mentioned before playing the sport. 4. Hockey (It’s an amazing sport I mean you can bust out in a fist fight during the game and its ok just a 5 min penalty if you do that in any other sport it’s a long time suspension and fines along with possible assault charges filed haha. and then last on any scale has to be 5. Baseball which teaches that if you can hone a skill that you don’t have to be an athlete at all which some take as a good thing and some bad. and sorry to the lacrosse fans that’s mostly def. a sport as well it just hasn’t caught on greatly yet but is a much more physically demanding sport than baseball.

    • AFM June 26, 2012 at 8:58 PM #

      I like your list, but I have to disagree with the order of 1 and 2. Basketball requires a level of natural ability and coordination that football does not have. In football, if you are fast and strong, then you have a chance to dominate. That is why some unknown player from a tiny school sneaks into the first round every year after they have a good showing at the NFL combine. Basketball requires soft hands, leaping ability, size, quickness, plus that strength and speed that football has.

      • 66lima53 September 16, 2012 at 8:01 AM #

        ill disagree right there because football requires all those traits aswell, recievers need to catch(soft hands) jump, being tall helps but it isnt required, they are def. quick(for those baseball players that dont know being fast and being quick are two very different things) and they are stronger and faster then basketball players

        • AFM September 18, 2012 at 4:33 PM #

          I was completely in agreement with you about football players being better athletes than baseball players, but I am going to have to disagree with you about them being better athletes than basketball players. Football players skills are specialized by their positions. Some of them are stronger (the line), some may be faster (the receivers, which is debatable), and some are bigger (quarterbacks/line). However, everyone on the basketball court with few exceptions has to be strong, fast, quick, agile, and well-coordinated. Football players do not have to be very-well coordinated or fast depending on their position.

      • MAGGOT October 27, 2016 at 11:11 PM #

        What exactly do you need strength for in football, all you are doing is running and catching a ball and bringing it down to get a touchdown

        • AFM October 28, 2016 at 11:09 AM #

          These men are larger, stronger, and faster than average human beings. The guys in the NFL can lift average human beings and they train using the weight of average human beings. They need to be strong because they are competing against other men with superhuman strength.

      • Baseball will always be a sport December 6, 2016 at 1:50 PM #

        You said you liked the list which had baseball as a sport so therefore you think baseball is a sport. You can not deny it because it was in order of physicaly demanding and you said baseball is more physicaly demanding than other sports. All the time you said baseball is not physicaly demanding but if it is ranked 5 of all sports for being the vigorous, then you truley do not believe what you have been saying. I also don’t believe that 2 of your friends made it into the MLB and even if they did, you would not be athletic as they are because you need to be able to weightlift a lot to play pro.

        • AFM December 6, 2016 at 6:08 PM #

          First, are you writing in the King’s English? I have an idea of what you are saying, and your argument is not clear at all. Baseball is not more physically demanding than the real sports. It takes more of a toll on your body than golf, but football, basketball, and soccer along with countless other sports are more physically taxing than baseball. When you play football, you are literally slamming your body into 200+ lbs of meat and bones at speeds up to 24 mph. Football players risk collisions equivalent to car wrecks on every play. Basketball players tear up their knees, feet, and ankles with all of the running and jumping that comes in games, and they fall and injure themselves because of all the contact without pads. They regularly break bones, lose teeth, and suffer tears in muscle and ligaments from the stress of playing. Baseball seasons are only grueling because they play too many games. Baseball is not a sport. It is a skill.

    • Eazy_72 July 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM #

      For your information Albert PUJOLS has won a gold glove before and also has played third base and outfield in his career. Pablo Sandoval plays First and third base.

      • AFM July 27, 2012 at 1:49 PM #

        Alright Eazy_72, here goes. The 1st thing that I want to reiterate is that I did not say that there are no athletes in baseball. What I said is that if athleticism is not required to play a game, then it is not a sport. I said that guys like Torii Hunter and Carl Crawford are great athletes, but there are just as many guys who are non-athletic as there are athletes. The best players in any game are usually the best athletes.

        When football players put on weight, it is usually muscle and the fattest football players in the league can run with some of the smaller guys in short bursts. That is a display of athleticism. Ask any coach, former or current player what athleticism consists of, and you will hear speed, quickness, strength, coordination (hand and feet), leaping ability, and agility. To be special in baseball you do not need a combination of all of these characteristics (though a few people have combinations). You only need one, hand-eye coordination. If you can hit a ball, then you will have a roster spot. Tony Gywnn was built like bowling ball but is a certified Hall of Fame guy. Mark Grace had one of the prettiest swings that I have ever seen, but he only pulled homers out of shallow fields. He’s HOF too. Football players have to be big, fast, and strong to compete. Basketball players have to be coordinated, quick, and explosive to get on the court. Baseball players only have to be either a good hitter or a good pitcher to play. Baseball does not depend on athleticism so I can not call it a sport.

        Also, on a side note, quarterbacks may not need to know to tackle, but they need to know how to tackle because they throw turnovers. The defense can score off interceptions, and sometimes the quarterback is the last line of defense. Defensive tackles do need to know how to catch because it creates turnovers which are ultimately opportunities for their team to score. Think Julius Peppers or Vince Wilfork intercepting a pass at the the line. In soccer, goalies may not dribble but they use their entire bodies to block and/or catch a shot from the opposing team. And, forwards in hockey needs to learn how to block pucks with their bodies (and they do use their hands, skates, and occasionally their bodies to block shots at the end of games) to stop possible scores from other teams. Pitchers do not necessarily need to hit because there are eight other guys supposedly supplying the offense, but that lends itself to me saying that they are specialists not athletes.

        My biggest point is that learning to hit is a skill, and not a physical ability that you are born with (yes, I ended that sentence with a preposition English majors). And, baseball is centered around that not specific expressions of athletic ability, so it is not a sport… golf.

      • AFM July 27, 2012 at 1:52 PM #

        Sandoval is too fat to play third now. He used to play that position. And, I never said that Pujols was not an athlete. I said that his bat swing was average at best. And, since the quicker bat swings should produce more power, then guys with quicker bats should be better power hitters. But, that is not the case which leads me to believe that hitting is a skill that can be learned.

  10. Josh April 4, 2013 at 2:13 PM #

    After reading the first two-three sentences of this article I stopped and came to the conclusion that the person who wrote this article lacks the fundamental cognitive ability to write it. This is based off the fact that; how can a sport that requires no effort, training, or athleticism be a sport of skill absent natural ability? So your saying it is a skill based endeavor, yet skill u don’t have to train for, but your not naturally given. Clearly written by an individual lacking any sort of debt or knowledge base on the subject matter. Elementary.

    • AFM April 5, 2013 at 7:39 AM #

      l’m guessing that you’re a baseball player or a former baseball player. And, I’m guessing that you meant depth not “debt”. You’re definitely not falling into the dumb athlete stereotype here or with the fact that you didn’t read the rest of the article. Had you continued reading, then you would have seen that I differentiated between skill and athleticism. Athleticism is the natural ability to run faster, jump higher, and be stronger. I said that baseball is more contingent on your skill level versus your athleticism. People who have access to better instruction in baseball make it further. There are so many stories of multiple members of families making it to the pros in baseball because the baseline of athleticism is so low. Fathers and sons almost always make it. There are fewer cases in basketball, football, and soccer because you have to be a special athlete to compete in those leagues and you have to be skilled. Michael Jordan could not produce an heir worthy of the NBA.

  11. MG April 16, 2013 at 4:51 AM #

    Baseball ISN’T called “America’s favorite sport”…it’s called a past time (e.g. some thing that simply passes the time). Much like a hobby.

  12. Fù May 27, 2014 at 11:22 PM #


    • AFM May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM #

      You sound angry…

  13. MAGGOT October 27, 2016 at 11:13 PM #

    So if baseball isn’t a sport then are you calling Kricket a lousy non sport?

    • AFM October 28, 2016 at 10:33 AM #

      Amuurrrica does not recognize cricket as a sport.

  14. Richie October 30, 2016 at 7:43 PM #

    Here a good way to think of it…… in baseball one of the greatest thing that can happen is a no hitter… ok so one guy does all the work and nobody gets on base or gets a hit….. ok so hypothetically, both pitchers are having a “great” night and are both pitching a no hitter. So here we have what would be one of the most memorable incredible things to happen in the “sport” (activity) of baseball. So in this game NOTHING ever happened and it NEVER ended. Now that’s exciting. Hope my sarcasm isn’t lost there

    • AFM October 31, 2016 at 10:04 AM #

      Nooooo…. There was sarcasm? ….You are my type of guy.

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